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Topic: GMC dually payload/camper loading sticker
Posted By: maxum1989 on 02/15/18 04:06pm

I just got back from the local Chevy/Gm dealer to look at a used 2015 GMC sle dually they had for sale. Awesome looking vehicle. I looked in the glove box for a camper loading sticker and it said cargo loading/camper not to exceed 4177 pounds. No other details. Both the salesman and I thought it would be higher. Sometimes manufacturers assume someone is sitting in all the seats so subtract that. Still the case?

On my current truck (2008) the sticker is different than actual when I weighed the truck and compared that to the GVWR. In 2015 do they still differ? Anyone with a similar truck what is your actual payload?

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Posted By: timdan94 on 02/15/18 04:29pm

Go by the door sticker. The sticker in the glove box assumes all seats are full.

Posted By: Homeless by Choice on 02/15/18 04:44pm

I have a Duramax 2015 GMC sle dually. I just looked and my glove box card says 4025 lbs. My NL is no where near that weight but I also have a tool box with a 60 gallon fuel tank (an additional 1000 lbs) between the camper and the cab. I am way over the 4025 weight and I can't even tell the driving difference when the camper is off. I also pull an 18 foot enclosed utility trailer with all my belongs and my ATV in it. I certainly would not be concerned.

Some of my friends have the big Arctic Fox camper with slides on the very same truck and they have no handling problems. None of us have done anything to the truck i.e. air bags, sway bars, special shocks, etc. We are all happy.

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Posted By: 2003silverado on 02/15/18 04:45pm

I looked up a similar truck on ebay. Chevy crew cab dually High Country (so the heaviest trim level). The tire and loading sticker shows "occupants and cargo shouldn't exceed 4,777 pounds". As stated earlier, that sticker is found in the door jam, so find that sticker and see what it says for the truck you are looking at. I didn't know GM put payload ratings in the glove compartment.

Posted By: billyray50 on 02/15/18 04:46pm

timdan94 wrote:

Go by the door sticker. The sticker in the glove box assumes all seats are full.


Even with passengers included GM/chevy has less payload than the Ram. Look at an old post of mine regarding my friends GM DRW and my Ram DRW. Both of our trucks were same regarding year, Diesel, 4x4, long bed and cab configuration.

Posted By: Lwiddis on 02/15/18 05:01pm

I’d assume the manufacturer assumed someone is sitting in all the seats...you are kidding, right?

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Posted By: BlindGuynAR on 02/15/18 06:44pm

My truck 2017 4x4 3500HD DRW Denali

Door says 4671 lbs cargo/persons.

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Posted By: Kayteg1 on 02/15/18 07:09pm

I understand that all you guys here are talking about taxable cargo, as that what those stickers say.
That have very loose relation with vehicle actual cargo capacity.
Planning the camper you need to find rear axle available payload.
Meaning read the rear axle rating and deducting actual weight.




Posted By: GeoBoy on 02/15/18 07:47pm

billyray50 wrote:

timdan94 wrote:

Go by the door sticker. The sticker in the glove box assumes all seats are full.


Even with passengers included GM/chevy has less payload than the Ram. Look at an old post of mine regarding my friends GM DRW and my Ram DRW. Both of our trucks were same regarding year, Diesel, 4x4, long bed and cab configuration.

The GM duallys have a GVW of 13,025, where the Ford and Ram are 14,000. My 2015 gas dually says camper weight 4,913 lbs..

Posted By: maxum1989 on 02/15/18 08:24pm

Salesman called me back and said the door pillar sticker said 48?? pounds. I forget the exact but it was 48 hundred and something. Much closer to what I thought it should be. I assume this number is the truck without occupants so if the GVW is 13025 then the truck weighs around 8200 pounds. These numbers seem to make sense.

Posted By: Grit dog on 02/15/18 11:56pm

Yup. And the rear axle is still good for over 10k and tires are whatever, around 10klbs too. Itll haul pretty much whatever camper you want. 4800 is very conservative for total weight. Rear end alone is good for about 6k load, with airbags or something. Tires and axle are both good for 10k +.

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Posted By: SidecarFlip on 02/16/18 05:47am

Reading all this hub bub makes my head hurt....

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Posted By: billyray50 on 02/16/18 06:05am

Grit dog wrote:

Yup. And the rear axle is still good for over 10k and tires are whatever, around 10klbs too. Itll haul pretty much whatever camper you want. 4800 is very conservative for total weight. Rear end alone is good for about 6k load, with airbags or something. Tires and axle are both good for 10k +.


Agree.

Posted By: Reddog1 on 02/16/18 11:00am

I would appreciate seeing seeing a photo of the actual door decal posted. Has the information changed over the previous years?

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Posted By: Helmsey on 02/16/18 11:20am

This is the weight ticket from a 2015 LTZ with a 200 pound driver, a 5th wheel hitch, and a full tank of fuel. The door sticker says 4700ish pounds of cargo capacity but based on this it's more like 4465.

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Posted By: Reddog1 on 02/16/18 11:27am

Can you post a photo of the door sticker?

Posted By: hedge on 02/16/18 11:38am

I assume they are talking about the Tire and loading information sticker, I think it's only on newer trucks. not sure when they started adding it.

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Posted By: Helmsey on 02/16/18 11:40am

Reddog1 wrote:

Can you post a photo of the door sticker?


Here ya go:

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Posted By: Reddog1 on 02/16/18 12:52pm

Thanks for posting the photo of the decal.

I see it as the same information as the older decals. In my opinion it is a bit my confusing than the older decals, but gives the same information. If you do not read into it, the older decals give the weight values based on the listed tire size, wheel size at a given pressure.

If you read on the sidewall of the tire size stated, you will see the load range and tire psi is exactly the same as the decal. My point being the Cargo weight of the truck is based on the capacity of the tires, not the truck.

This has been an ongoing subject for years. If you want simplicity and want a black and white world then the decal should be your guide. If you are willing to do some research, you will find what I have posted to be true. I wonder how many members know the history behind the decals? I bet very few. I will give you a hint, it started with tire safety.

Posted By: hedge on 02/16/18 01:05pm

The new decal just provides the difference between GVW and the weight of that specific truck. It is different for every truck, you will rarely see two trucks on the lot with the same number. This number accounts for the wide range of options/configurations and how the weight of them affect payload.

In the case of this sticker the cargo weight is based on the GVW not the tire capacity.

Having said that, I've never heard of any jurisdiction that uses this sticker in enforcement... although in BC where they use the GVW it should be pretty close to this number.

I weighed my truck on a scale and the gvw-empty weight was quite close to the sticker.

Posted By: Reddog1 on 02/16/18 01:11pm

"... I've never heard of any jurisdiction that uses this sticker in enforcement... although in BC where they use the GVW ..."

This is my understanding. In some states you can license your truck for a much higher load capacity.

Posted By: jaycocreek on 02/16/18 02:41pm

Someone is playing with the numbers when a 1994 F-350 DRW has the same payload as a 2015 GMC DRW..

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Posted By: jimh406 on 02/16/18 03:10pm

jaycocreek wrote:

Someone is playing with the numbers when a 1994 F-350 DRW has the same payload as a 2015 GMC DRW..


The Ford is alot lighter. The rear axles aren't much different.

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Posted By: Kayteg1 on 02/16/18 04:56pm

Reddog1 wrote:

"... I've never heard of any jurisdiction that uses this sticker in enforcement... although in BC where they use the GVW ..."

This is my understanding. In some states you can license your truck for a much higher load capacity.


If you pay attention, especially in CA you will met lot of 3500 RAMs pulling double decker gooseneck with 5 cars on it.
All with DOT numbers and inspections.
How much do you think it puts on the truck?

Posted By: deltabravo on 02/16/18 08:19pm

2003silverado wrote:

I didn't know GM put payload ratings in the glove compartment.


They've been doing that since the 70s I think. That sticker refers to bed load - and specifically reference a slide-in camper if I recall correctly.

I guess I should go look at mine.
Sounds like a good excuse to make another video for YouTube.

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Posted By: Reddog1 on 02/16/18 08:48pm

deltabravo wrote:

2003silverado wrote:

I didn't know GM put payload ratings in the glove compartment.


They've been doing that since the 70s I think. That sticker refers to bed load - and specifically reference a slide-in camper if I recall correctly.

I guess I should go look at mine.
Sounds like a good excuse to make another video for YouTube.
Hopefully it will be factual, and not just an opinion. I suggest you do research on this subject. Do you have any idea as to Volkswagens roll in the decals? I think if not you probably need more info to make a youtube.

Posted By: JIMNLIN on 02/17/18 08:55am

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If you pay attention, especially in CA you will met lot of 3500 RAMs pulling double decker gooseneck with 5 cars on it.
All with DOT numbers and inspections.
How much do you think it puts on the truck?

Car haulers can be loaded to adjust hitch loads to meet a specific trucks rawr/tire load numbers.

** California vehilce code 35550. (sniped for length...feel free to do your own search for all of it)
(C)
(1) The load limit established by the tire manufacturer, on the tire sidewall.**

Some folks miss those Single tire load limits and tires used in a dual position. Dual is usually around 10-12 percent lower than single tire load limits.

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Posted By: Kayteg1 on 02/17/18 10:31am

I know that on car hauler you can load light vehicles on front and heavier on the rear, but that will not make major difference.
Still 5 cars on gooseneck double decker make close to 30,000 lb.
So no matter how you adjust, the pin load is not going below 5 digits lb.
How is that for 3500 payload?

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