moisheh wrote:
I would never plug into a 2 prong outlet!!!
Two prong outlet would only be used for a portable battery charger.I would never plug into a 2 prong outlet!!!
Even then charger may need an adapter.
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I gave them a beautiful copy of the NEC code book...
And...?
Do you know where I found it...?
Where...?
I gave them a beautiful copy of the NEC code book...
And...?
Do you know where I found it...?
Where...?
Over at least the past 10 years you have come on this forum repeatedly showing your very low opinion of Mexicans. And then you turn around and say you love Mexico. In this and so many other things you continue to make no sense. Try writing something coherent and positive once in awhile. Maybe then someone will be able to figure out what you are talking about.
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I had about written off another trip but this charger idea takes care of that. But, first I gotta get the old coach 10 permit issue resolved. Again. I'm a slow learner.
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Like it or not, Mexican viewers of this thread have contacted me and remarked "Why do you even try to change their mind?"
It's not for the ought-to-be, daydreamers. It's for people who accept things as they are. And deal with it. And exchange ideas and tips. And not run around with their head jammed up into (the clouds).
You think using magazines and newspapers as TP is somehow derogatory? Then you have never been in rural Mexico away from Gringolandia.
My wife was Mexican, my daughter and four granddaughters are Mexican. i am a Mexican citizen who believes thoroughly that educating folks about the realities down here will help them prepare better for a successful trip.
And my dear fellow, please allow new-to-Mexico visitors to enjoy things As They Are, and not As They Should Be.
"Ought-To-Be" ex-pats do not last long. I actively prey on "Liquidation of Entire Household Moving Back To USA" moving sales. Sometimes drive hundreds of miles when justified. Their daydreams crumbled. Ask them why they are moving and they will probably explode. I learned not to ask years ago.
But accept what is here even if it hurts. Mexicans WANT their lives to improve. I can assure you a roll of TP in a public toilet will last under a minute in rural Mexico. Someone will take it home.
Learn to accept drivers who pass you then jam on the brakes to make a left turn.
Or machos who consider it infinitely more important to have five cases a beer a week rather than replace any of their six burned out tail light bulbs.
Or like last Friday. A hipermarket. Eleven cashier checkstands - one is open with fourteen carts waiting.
So when I encounter a pedestal with horrible stuff fix it, silently. The park owner could care less, except if someone should hassle his peace and quiet by trying to lecture him how to run his business. "If you don't like what you see, there are always other parks".
I recommended bringing quality receptacles and wire nuts. That's entirely different than stuffing a book in his face or lecturing about wiring codes. Giving them as gifts and showing how they work is taken entirely differently.
But you would have to know and accept Mexican culture to understand this.
MEXICOWANDERER wrote:
Is's and Ought To Be's...
Like it or not, Mexican viewers of this thread have contacted me and remarked "Why do you even try to change their mind?"
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Is's and Ought To Be's...
Like it or not, Mexican viewers of this thread have contacted me and remarked "Why do you even try to change their mind?"
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Oh puhleeeze!
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I can assure you a roll of TP in a public toilet will last under a minute in rural Mexico. Someone will take it home.
I can assure you a roll of TP in a public toilet will last under a minute in rural Mexico. Someone will take it home.
I learned almost 50 years ago to carry TP with me wherever I go.
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I recommended bringing quality receptacles and wire nuts. That's entirely different than stuffing a book in his face or lecturing about wiring codes.
I recommended bringing quality receptacles and wire nuts. That's entirely different than stuffing a book in his face or lecturing about wiring codes.
And how exactly would they know how to use their quality receptacle if they do not know which wire goes to which connection? And today's receptacles do not require wire nuts - but you would have to know something about electricity to know that.
I think many on this forum would agree - it has been brought up many times. You go into incoherent rants about so many things you think are wrong with Mexico and Mexicans. You just did it in your last post. You continue to do it. You are Mr. Negativity about Mexico - all the time. You rant. No one cares what you think.
I try to provide useful information to try to help people and you rant about how it is so pointless to try to help people. You are helplessly hopeless.
A favorite trick of the self-deluded.
AND SHOWING THEM HOW THEY WORK was eliminated from the comment.
And yeah Monterrey, I got PM's from Mexican readers. Unlike some folks I do not lie. Ohhhh pulleeaase...
My original post was about a survey in the USA where RVers were asked whether they have had problems with electricity in RV parks or campgrounds when connecting their RV to provided electricity. Presumably, those who responded were mostly RVers in the USA. I also suggested readers could go to the survey website where lots of FREE information about electricity and RVs can be found - I did not suggest buying anyone's book.
Though that survey and website were not about Mexico I thought it might be of interest to people on this forum that there can be problems when hooking your RV up to electricity and that there are steps you can take to protect yourself and your RV.
Further on in this thread it was implied that there is no code in Mexico. That could have meant there is no code enforcement in Mexico. I am not sure what the writer meant. But it led me to research electrical code in Mexico and I found that it does exist.
I do not know who is supposed to enforce electrical code in Mexico or if anyone does. It seems from my research that there are electrical inspectors in Mexico. It also does seem that CFE is the government agency tasked with all things electrical in Mexico.
So here is what I know about some code regulation enforcement in the US. When there is new construction or a permitted remodel there is a requirement that an electrical inspection be done and that the work receive a passed certificate from the inspector. Usually this is a sticker the inspector puts in the main panel but it can also go into the file for the permit. In new construction the power company providing electricity to the building will not turn the power on until the wiring is approved by the inspector. You cannot get a “Certificate of Occupancy” for a structure in the US until all inspectors sign off on that structure – all building inspectors that is – not just electrical. In most cases you cannot sell a structure in the US until it has a certificate of occupancy.
BUT – (in the USA) once a property has been inspected and the power is turned on there is usually no reason for the inspector to return to the property – there are exceptions to every rule of course. Now that the property has been approved and the power turned on there is little or no enforcement of codes within that property. Property owners can (though perhaps not legally) alter almost anything about the wiring within that property as there is little or no oversight. I have done a great many modifications to electrical wiring in properties in the US – but I am always very careful to comply with codes because I know they exist for safety reasons. I would assume there would be similar situations in Mexico where there is not oversight of the property once power is approved and turned on - though I have not idea what the requirements would be.
When I posted code and wiring information here on this forum it was aimed at informing people that there are codes and that wiring is supposed to be color coded so it is easy to determine which wire is supposed to do what. Someone asked about wire gauge so I posted something about that. My intent was to inform the people on this forum who might be interested in some of this information. It was not intended to tell the Mexican people what to do nor was it intended to condemn the Mexican people for how things are done in Mexico. It was intended to be informational only to those who read this forum.
I have tried to provide information to readers of this forum who might be interested in some very basic electrical rules. These rules exist for reasons. There are laws of physics that apply to how much current a wire can carry over any given distance. There are laws of physics about voltage and amperage. These laws do not exists because someone thinks they are a good idea and put them in a code book for no apparent reason. These laws exist because experts have learned over many years of experience that electricity works in very specific ways and to be safe we need to comply with the laws. Wire gauge and circuit breakers are the size they are and must comply with the laws because any other configuration would be unsafe. If you install a 30 amp breaker to protect 12 gauge wiring the breaker will not trip before the wire begins to burn up.
Then there is the color coding. It exists because of the reasons I tried to point out. If any of our readers finds reason to question the wiring of an outlet in and RV park they may now have some idea of what colors of wire are supposed to go where. I am well aware that in Mexico – as well as the US – we are going to find places where only one color wire was used to wire everything and there is no way to determine which wire is the one carrying the power. Those with more knowledge can use a meter to try to figure out which wire does what. I have done this in several RV parks in Mexico – as well as the US – where I teach the owners or maintenance people how to correctly wire these outlets.
If no one cares then no one cares. But I have learned that some people actually do care. So I direct my posts to those who might be interested and not to those with little or no interest. There are certainly RV parks in both the US and Mexico that could care less whether their guests are safe or not.
This topic has absolutely nothing to do with how people drive in Mexico (or toilet paper) or any other topic other than electricity. There are certainly some horrible drivers in the US as well. But if you want to delve into other topics perhaps it would be best to start a new topic. Please try to stay on topic.
This permits even greater flopping of the RV plug. It's common to see RV plugs sagging half in an out of a socket. A sure way to overheat and destroy both. An 18" tall welded "Y" brace can ease a lot of the strain. Some sites have grass a receptacle. Others have gravel, asphalt or concrete. A 12" angle-iron cross will fit anywhere.
Regular dishwashing or medical nitrile gloves offer protection against shocks AS LONG AS THE GLOVES STAY BONE DRY. Receptacles can be hot swapped but this is not for people who are not totally confident and experienced working on live circuits.
A non contact voltage detector works fine to orient line voltage and neutral wires.
HERE ARE SOME TIPS FOR FOLKS WHO ARE CONFIDENT WORKING AROUND LIVE CIRCUITS
1. Top quality tools such as WiHa screwdrivers will work with rusty eroded screws better than lesser brands.
2. Before starting squirt Liquid Wrench or PB Blaster right onto the old receptacle cutout. Get those wire binding, and receptacle mounting screws loose.
3. No damp grass, damp concrete or damp gravel allowed around your feet. Borrow your doormat.
4. Dykes, stripper, and screwdrivers have a lot of conductive steel in them. The use of Bone Dry hands and gloves is essential.
5. Remove upper and lower #6 flathead screws binding receptacle to enclosure.
6. Examine electrical wire binding screws. Is there more than one wire per screw? Stop! Your neighbor one one side or the other is being fed off your receptacle. Ask permission from them before proceeding.
7. With the receptacle mounting screws removed and receptacle pulled a little, take images with your camera of both sides of the receptacle.
8. Mexico has stranded wire which is a hassle to use with stranded wire unless your chosen replacement receptacle has HOLES in the rear that the wire is inserted into then tightened with the screw.
9. Transfer wires one-at-a-time to replacement receptacle. This will keep wires separated and reduce the chance of a flashing short circuit.
10. If you wish to crimp U fork (spade) connectors to stranded wire, the connector screw is a # 6 fork. A YELLOW color insulator is for # 10-12 AWG wire and a pair of # 14 AWG wires can be fit into a single yellow insulated terminal.
* This post was edited 08/30/17 06:04pm by MEXICOWANDERER *